Torrance Paralegal Divorce An Alternative To Divorce Attorney In Torrance, CA

I’m going to first say that we are not a law firm and we are attorneys.

I just want to get this video on in front of you, to folks that are looking for an attorney say in the Torrance, California area.

I’ll let you know that there are alternatives to hiring a Divorce Attorney such as our firm.

Now we are a full service Divorce Document Preparation Firm specializing only in Divorce serving the Torrance, California area.

What that means is that we can do everything a law firm can do except giving legal advice and represent you in court.

So let’s say you do need an attorney. Let’s say you’re looking for an attorney and I tricked you into watching this video.

You need an attorney. You’re going to need legal representation maybe you even already have a consultation with an attorney you just haven’t hired them yet.

What we want to do is, say number one, less than 10% of cases all throughout California are handled by an attorney.

The majority of folks going through it they don’t need attorney. They just may need a little legal advice or maybe go on a consultation.

But ultimately, they’re either doing it themselves or hiring a company like us to prepare the documents since we obviously suggest.

So two things! Number one either you know you need an attorney for your Divorce in Torrance. And you want to come to us to help get those initial documents done.

Let’s get the ball rolling and get the case filed, served, do your financial disclosures and let us do all the paperwork.

So if you are going to need an attorney at least you’re spending the money on them doing attorney stuff instead of filing up paperwork.

Or number two, what if we can get you through Divorce and you don’t need an attorney? And that’s what we’re finding.

People though they would need an attorney. They saw one of our videos. They call us up.

By the way free consultations. The number is on your screen. Give me a call.

We’ll talk about specifically. And I’ll fill out. We’ve done a lot of cases. We handle several hundreds cases a year.

And I’ll let you know based on the circumstances that we think we can get you through or if we get stucked maybe we can send you out for some mediation.

But sometimes there’s nothing we can do even though we’ve got all the paperwork done, you still need to go and see an attorney because one of the parties isn’t being fair or reasonable or is untruthful.

And those types of cases that you’ll probably need the legal advice or attorney assistance with but most of the case you’re not going to need that.

You can use our service. And three things will happen. We’ll get you all the way through.

We’ll get you mostly through. And then you’ll need mediation. Have someone sit down with you to come up with agreements.

And then you come back to us. And we’ll finish things up. Or we do all the paperwork and you needed to hire an attorney maybe just to review it.

And say, ‘Hey, this looks fair. I had a Paralegal Firm draft this up. This seems fair. This is will something I should sign?’

In that way you know you’re protected on all sides.

So give us a call if you’re thinking of hiring an attorney in Torrance. I’d love to talk to you and see if it’s something we can help you save some money.

At least part way or maybe even all the way.

661-281-0266. Give us a call. I’d love to help you out. Thanks.

Life, Home, Auto & Business Insurance In Santa Clarita

Tim: So anything to add? I mean this is regarding our conversation. I love doing these.

We have different topics here each week. And good things always come out of it.

Jon: Yes. Well, I appreciate you having me.

Tim: Yes.

Jon: Because this is one of the things that at by the time we usually get to people, it’s too late on the other situations.

So I’m just glad you’re out there educating people in these situations so that we’re in a position to help them before something bad happens and that if it didn’t worked out the way we helped that way.

Tim: It’s all about the education point of idea. I do so many videos. We’re doing these videos talking about Life Insurance because it’s related to Divorce and all of that.

So education is what we do. I have tons of videos and we have podcast and we just have so much information out there.

It’s incredible! But I’m glad to hear experts in various fields able to help explain it better than I can.

Jon: But what I would encourage people who I think is going through this process, you can tell that by making a list of things.

It sounds like going to you might be a way to get themselves well educated.

Tim: Yes.

Jon: So, that they’ll understand what the process is going to be like as they go through it and I think that’s just makes it easier for them.

Tim: Alright, well, thanks for coming.

Jon: Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Tim: Yes. Let people know real quick before we sign off here, where they can get a hold of you, your phone number or your email.

You got what, jsginsurance.com?

Jon: Right. So I’m working out here in Santa Clarita because I’ve been here for 13 years with the business.

We’re over on Tourney Rd. just right by right across the street from the Valencia Country Club.

And the best way to reach us is by call us at our number which is 661-388-5288. And we will be happy to help you anyway we can.

Even if it’s just to give you information, that’s fine. We’re good with that.

Tim: And you handle auto, home…

Jon: Home, life and all business types of insurance too. We work with a lot of small business and medium business insurance.

Tim: I don’t mind.

Jon: There you go! So that doesn’t come up so much in the Divorce situation.

Tim: Sure.

Jon: In terms from an insurance standpoint but certainly something we can help you with.

Tim; Absolutely!

Jon: Yes.

Tim: Well, thanks again for stopping by.

Jon: Thank you having me. I appreciate it.

Tim: And we’ll do this again. I appreciate it.

Jon: Alright.

Tim: Thank you sir.

Jon: Alright.

Tim: Alright.

Jon: Take care!

 

Is Divorce Mediation More Of A Hassle Than Hiring A Lawyer?

Tim: Next myth. The myth was mediation is more of a hassle than hiring a lawyer to handle the Divorce.

So in this case is mediation more of a hassle than just hiring a lawyer?

Lisa: You know I think people have a hard time with something new or something different than just to try it into ‘I’m going to get my attorney. You get your attorney. And let’s just kind of haggle this out the best we can.’

It’s definitely a change in the way that people think about Divorce. I would hope that it’s not more of a hassle.

I think it’s just probably learning about the process. Someone needs to do a little bit of research, make a few phone calls, find out what the difference is are between mediation and litigation.

It’s such a simple process with personally with my mediation organization you make a phone call. You come in for a free consultation.

There’s no retainer. There’s no meeting with the other persons attorney and having all these disclosure.

Tim: Right.

Lisa: This is just on your terms. Come in. Let’s talk. Let’s see what you guys want.

Let’s see what you guys want to see at the end of this process.

I think it’s more of a re-education of people and just trying and taking that one step to find out, okay, instead of just getting a lawyer and talking to my friends if I have the best lawyer in town.

It’s what are the differences and just kind of educating yourself about it.

Tim: Got you! When I read this question what I saw in this question was that it is more of a hassle to personally have to sit down and work through your issues with your spouse.

That’s hard for…

Lisa: It is.

Tim: Especially for guys they’ll, okay, we’re going to sit down and personally work through this, as opposed to, it’s easy…

Lisa: Right!

Tim: …to just throw money on the attorney…

Lisa: And let them make the decisions…

Tim: …and say you deal with my problems because…

Lisa: No, I agree with you.

Tim: …here is what I want. Let me know when you have that happen. And not have to…

Lisa: This is an investment in time and in emotion and on both sides.

Tim: Yes.

Lisa: They need to be willing to say, ‘You know what, we don’t want to hate each other. And we would like so many leftover at the end of this process.’

Tim: Right.

Lisa: ‘And we want our kids to be whole and healthy and happy.’

So you’re right. It does take a lot more time and energy…

Tim: Right.

Lisa: …and investment.

Tim: In that way.

Lisa: In that way, to be able to go to this process.

Tim: That’s how I read the question. Maybe the guy perspective on this is like, ‘You know what, I’m just going to write you a check.’

And many people do until that money runs out. But you know just throw money at the lawyer and say deal with it is easier to a degree.

Lisa: And just to make you safe and just to let you know and just plug in the numbers and tell me what I can get out of this.

And make sure my partner doesn’t get everything. And I get what I want. And so I agree with you.

It’s a lot more time consuming and a lot more emotionally involved.

Tim: Absolutely! But the energy spent is going to result in better decisions long term.

Lisa: It’s all worth it.

 

Is Divorce Mediation For Wimps?

Tim: Okay, the next myth. I like this one. I wasn’t sure if I was going to use this one but I thought it would bring a good topic.

So this myth is mediation is for wimps. So the question here is Divorce Mediation for wimps?

And the one reason I want to bring this up is because I think this is a guy thing. It’s obvious it’s not a girl thing or a woman thing.

There are guys, ‘I’m not going to do that.’

Lisa: Right.

Tim: ‘I’m the man.’ What do you think about that?

Lisa: You know and I think that ties into our last question, our last myth about you know…

Tim: The hassle or to deal with it.

Lisa: …the hassle, the investment, the emotional part of it. It is definitely not for wimps.

You have to be pretty strong and invested and determined.

Tim: It’s true!

Lisa: …to make this relationship work.

Tim: It’s actually the opposite.

Lisa: It’s the opposite.

Tim: It’s the exact opposite of that.

Lisa: I think you’re weak if you’re just going to let somebody else take control of your life. And tell you what you’re going to do with your life.

Tim: Yes.

Lisa: So I think if you have it in you, you have to have a lot of strength and a lot of willingness to commit to the process.

Tim: Right.

Lisa: …to be able to work it out to where it’s worth it for everybody involved in the end. So I think it’s not for wimps.

It’s for somebody who wants to make sure that everybody comes out fairly pole at the end of the process.

Tim: It’s definitely harder to sit down but in the time and effort to sit down especially with someone who you’re disengaging from.

Lisa: Right.

Tim: And come up with the decisions and work through with those issues. It’s not easy.

Lisa: No. It’s not easy. And it will take control and you will have emotions coming up that you don’t want to talk about.

Tim: Right.

Lisa: But again I want to reiterate this is not therapy session. And a lot of men tend to shy away from that.

Their wives said, ‘We should go in couple therapy.’ and they’re like—

This is just a communication process, a place where you can make decisions about your life, about your marriage, about your kids, about your money without somebody hanging over your shoulder telling you yes or no.

This is your time to make those decisions.

Tim: Very good, not for wimps.

Lisa: No!

How To Value Your Home During Divorce

Tim: So they’re going to sell. Now they have to come to an agreement on what’s it worth.

We had clients in here couple weeks ago—this was they owned. They had everything settled. The house is actually paid off in cash. So they are in good shape financially.

The issue was what is house worth? So if they’re going to divide it evenly coming to a firm like evaluator.

In this case one party thought the house was worth $50,000 more than the other party.

And they’re looking at comparisons and all that. But what’s the best way to come to an idea? Do they get independent appraisers?

Do they get independent agents to do like of a compared market analysis? This particular client I said, ‘Look, you’re talking about $50,000 whole. It’s really about $25,000 to you, if they’re dividing which they’re like ‘Okay, that’s not that bad.’

If they can meet in the middle, I mean there are lots of options.

Connor: It’s always said there are three values for a home. And it’s like when you’re buying a business there’s three sets of records.

There’s what the owners going to give you to sell it.

Tim: Yes.

Connor: …to show you that it’s awesome. There’s really what it really makes so he knows exactly where he is every month and then it’s going to be the other ones where he shows the IRS which going to be a lot less than his earnings.

With a home evaluation it’s kind of the same thing because you have the agent that’s going to probably try to tell you what you want to hear in order to secure the leasing.

Tim: Right.

Connor: Unfortunately, that seems to be more a case than the exception. The other value happens to come in where what do you think it’s worth.

And then finally really what it is and what’s it worth. So the way that we do it and I think any good agent would is we have to look at factual properties that have closed Escrow.

And we have to stock those properties up making allowances plus or minus whatever percentage points or real amounts for the different amenities that they’re property might have versus the ones that we’re able to compare it with.

So the other you mentioned was an appraisal? Yes. If it’s a big deal then you could have hire independent appraiser to go out and evaluate the property and establish that value.

So that’s probably the cleanest way because with the agent, now you got to trust them.

Tim: Right.

Connor: I’m not trying to put us down as an industry but the world view isn’t so good. If that agent comes since both you down and looks at the sold comparable properties comparing Apples to Apples—

Tim: Right.

Connor: Not gaming in the system having you be able to verify that those are true and indeed the actual comparables within six months within a half an hour radius comparing the same types of property to your property and be able to verify that with an offline or excuse me a non-realtor base source online somewhere else that won’t have any reason to game you.

Tim: Right.

Connor: …then that’s also another good way.

Tim: It’s interesting because when people are splitting say in this particular case they had the house paid off but now they’re splitting up and they need to cash out.

Connor: Right.

Tim: So he wants to keep the home. So he just took out a second. He had the financial ability to qualify for that and cash it up.

And the questions that became were what’s it worth? And do we use today’s fair market value? What if the property declines in value a month later or —

Connor: Right.

Tim: We see this declined in market. And the half is a lot less then do you take the fair market value? Let’s say there’s $100,000 in equity based on the appraised value?

And you just say well $50,000 as half or would you take out that percentage of the sale? There’s a lot of ways that you really can loot this.

Or you can just say you know what, there’s $100,000 in equity if we sold. I mean you can count the commissions and Escrow and title fees and we will let down by 10-15 grand.

Connor: Sure.

Tim: So I think what people need to do is just move on. Don’t fight over the penny, just focus on the meat, not the potatoes if you will.

Connor: And what we talk about kind at the beginning, usually in a lot of cases one of the spouses they don’t want to go. It’s not their ideal scenario to be Divorced.

Tim: Right.

Connor: So a lot of times that’s where a lot of the renters are going to come in. And they’re hiring you to do service.

They hired me to do a service. My service is to try to balance everything so nobody gets hurt as a result of them wanting to sell this piece of real property.

Ultimately, that’s the goal. Commission aside, success aside all the sellers stuff aside, that protection is important and them having all the facts to be able to make good decisions.

 

 

 

 

How To Make Sure Your Realtor Understands Divorce

Connor: Yes, I have to say the Divorce scenario is if you’re going to hire somebody to do it, make sure they’ve done it.

Make sure they understand the process. Make sure you get good advice. Make sure they sit you down and get a game plan with you.

Don’t take it forgranted that they say, ‘Oh, I’m an expert at doing Divorces for Real Estate and selling out.’

Don’t take their word for it. You got to sit down. They should be able to explain to you how the process works.

Just like you Tim, what’s good about you is we’ve talked a lot before. You’re good at scenarios.

‘You know we had a couple in here last week. And she said such and such and he said so on and so.’

And it relates to what these people are now going on through. That’s the best way to convey information.

Tim: It’s like troubleshooting. We do so many Divorce cases here all throughout California. We see all these different scenarios.

And now from doing these along we can troubleshoot and give suggestions, ideas which is all the reason we’re doing this episode regarding Real Estate because this is one of those things we’re trying to inform our clients about is what the options and I sit when we have our consultations.

When I have Real Estate I said, ‘Look, when it comes to your house these are the three options you’ll have or four or five now that we have.’

And depending on their circumstances financially I can tell them right there on the spot, ‘This is going to be your only options because of X-Y and Z.’

And that has to sink in sometimes because usually not what they want because they want to keep the house and all that.

But what we tell folks regarding money and your finances when you live apart, when you separate from your spouse, you have the same income whether it was you working alone or both spouses working the money doesn’t go as far when you’re trying to handle two households.

Connor: Right. Absolutely, that’s additional expense.

Tim: Whether it’d be the original primary residence or you both have separate, move out and go that route, so.

Does Mediation Allow One Spouse To Dominate The Other

Tim: Hey, there, Tim Blankenship with Divorce661.com. Today, we’re here again with Lisa Scholz, Divorce Mediator and Divorce Coach.

And today we’re talking about Divorce myths. We’re trying to find a topic for today.

And we came across some interesting articles on the myths. And thought it’d be fun to talk about these and kind of demystify these.

Lisa: Yes, that sounds good.

Tim: …these myths. So the first thing that we’re going to talk about, the first one is, we get to our fancy slides here.

Does mediation allow one spouse to dominate the other? The myth was phrased as mediation allows one spouse to dominate another.

Is that a myth? Is that something you’ve heard, come up or how..?

Lisa: Definitely! Especially, since in litigation and with attorneys that is the case.

One will have a stronger attorney or a more expensive attorney or more knowledgeable attorney and the other one will definitely be in a weaker position.

In mediation that is one of the main things that changes. We want this to be in agreement made on level equal ground.

We don’t want one spouse to have the advantage over the other. And sometimes they come in that way.

And then through the mediation process we try to bring everybody up or down or to a middle ground to where everybody is on the same playing field.

And one doesn’t feel like they’re being bullied over. So that’s one of the most important parts of the mediation process.

It’s not allowing one spouse to have the advantage over another spouse.

Tim: So that’s the exact opposite. There isn’t someone with more power or no one is allowed to dominate.

Lisa: No.

Tim: And how do you as a mediator addressed that because I’m sure you’ve come across that?

Lisa: Definitely! The first time we come together is through like when we have the free consultation and both parties are there.

And you’ll allow both of them to speak. You give them each chance to kind of say what they want to say and ask the questions they want to ask.

And as the mediator more like of a facilitator you remind the other party that the other party get the chance to speak and they will have a time to say what they want to say.

Even on the phone, because one party will ultimately call first and then the other party needs to make contact.

And you need to make it clear from the get-go that you are there to help both of them. Nobody is going to—I’m not going to favor one.

I’m not going to favor another, that both of them need to be able to have any [goal feeding 02:44] in the process.

And so it begins with the phone call. And then when both there allowed,I think it sets their mind at ease that there’s not going to be one that take control and make this agreement in their favor.

Tim: Got you! So I mean like in my business normally one party will call. They’ll initiate the contact with like if they will call for mediation.

And what do you normally tell them to ensure that there’s that trust factor and there’s no domination?

It is like, ‘Hey, let’s have a consultation in person or over the phone maybe conference call or both parties are on the phone.’

Lisa: Right.

Tim: Is that what you do?

Lisa: Initially, I ask them if they would like me to contact the other person.

My preference is to have the other person make the initial contact with me. Because that lets me know that they are on board that they have spoken to their spouse, if they have discussed the process.

And that person is then calling me.

Tim: Like freely willingly…

Lisa: Exactly! And that’s a difficult thing because they’re already in a difficult position with each other.

Communication was broken down a lot of times.

Tim: Right.

Lisa: So I’m trying to convince the other person that this is a good thing. It may push them away from that process.

Tim: Do you find that the one spouse or the other like man versus woman is more or less likely to use mediation?

Lisa: That’s a good question. Women initially are more drawn to the process.

It sounds like it’s something that they enjoy because they were able to kind of express themselves.

Tim: Yes.

Lisa: And have a safe place to do so. But I have had men called saying that they think that mediation will be best for them and their spouse.

And but they’re allowing their spouse, their wife to choose or their partner to choose the mediator.

Tim: Got you!

Lisa: So they’re making the calls but they want the wife or their partner to be able to make that call and to finalize the choice.

Does Divorce Mediator Decide What’s Fair

Tim: Yes. The myth was in mediation the mediator decides what’s fair.

Have you ever had that as a concern, so, I post the does the divorce mediator decide what’s fair during divorce mediation?

Lisa: You know what absolutely not! We do not make any of the decisions.

And a really good mediator will remember that from the beginning until the end. Our job is to ask really good questions, lots and lots of questions.

So if you see something happening and see like maybe the balance, the power is tipping a bit without jumping in and rescuing the other party and it could be either party.

It could be the wife taking control and having…

Tim: Sure.

Lisa: …and manipulating and then or it could be not it could be either way.

If you see that balance that power tipping that’s when you start asking the questions. You want to give them the reality check.

You want to say, ‘So what do you think what happen if you decided to do that or what do you think would happen if you make sure this didn’t happen on the side?’
Tim: Alright.

Lisa: This is their process. They need to know that they are in control.

And a lot of people don’t like to take that responsibility. They want to say, ‘Just tell me what to do.’ or ‘What do you think?’ or ‘What do you think what we should do?’

Tim: Right. You get that happened quite a bit?

Lisa: A lot.

Tim: Oh, it must be tough!

Lisa: Because they just want to know like attorneys, they’ll be happy to tell you what they think you should do.

Tim: Right.

Lisa: They’re used to it. And a judge they’ll tell you what you should do. And a lot of people that safer they want to know.

I’m not sure what do you think and it just turn it right back to you.

Tim: So it turned out as a question.

Lisa: And the better the questions, the more powerful the questions, the more quality and quantity of questions then they start coming to the answers themselves.

And that is where it needs to come from.

Tim: That’s kind of goes back to that. It’s the parents being more of a hassle.

It’s just like don’t ask me just tell me.

Lisa: I don’t want to make these decisions. This is too hard. Just tell me what you think I should do.

Tim: Yes.

Lisa: This is not my process. I don’t tell you. I don’t come up with the agreement.

I don’t decide what’s fair. This is your family.

Tim: Okay.

Does Divorce Mediation Make The Divorce Take Longer

Tim: Okay, the next myth. Mediation makes the Divorce take longer.

So does Divorce Mediation make the Divorce take longer?

Lisa: No. If anything it’s a lot shorter. It’s a lot quicker. I think we’ve discussed in other topics about the litigation.

Tim: Right.

Lisa: And the attorneys and the court dates can drag on for months, sometimes years just trying to get in to see the judge, just trying to get the paperwork filed, getting their spouse to respond.

Mediation in three sessions, you know, if you want to spread them out in two months, we could have it finished from beginning to end.

And with what your company does, you take that agreement and you file it.

And, yes, there is six months period of waiting. The cool off period of whatever…

Tim: Right.

Lisa: …from the time you file until it’s settled. But you can easily get it done within the six months if not quicker but then you still need to wait for that six months period to be done.

Tim: Yes, what we do normally is we’ll get the case filed for them. Get them served. And that service date is the date the date starts.

And with the cooling process taking six months, we’re like often times if we can get the agreements done within the few months get it submitted to the court way ahead of time.

You don’t have to wait up to six months to submit the agreements.

Lisa: Right.

Tim: In the perfect world that would work if you could walk up to the judge and six months after service and say, ‘Sign my agreement.’

Lisa: Yes.

Tim: But there’s two to three months waiting period just because the court is so busy.

Lisa: Exactly!

Tim: So if they file their paperwork and they get that all in one by getting served and starting the clock on everything, get the financial disclosures completely, they can almost immediately start mediation even the same week.

Lisa: Yes.

Tim: And get those whatever issues they have addressed. Come up with the understanding an agreement.

And those come back to us. They end up in the judgment. Get submitted within a month or two of the whole process starting.

Lisa: Yes.

Tim: And so it’s actually much quicker.

Lisa: It’s much quicker…

Tim: …to do mediation.

Lisa: And then you can…

Tim: If you need help coming of those types of agreements.

Lisa: Exactly! And I think that once you make those agreements and you go through a mediation process and then you use your company to get those filed with the court in a timely fashion, they can vence it back and start the healing process and move on.

In the litigation they’re limbo for months. And there’s no time to sit back and ‘Okay, what am I going to do next? What are my next steps?’

Tim: Right.

Lisa: And when they get those mediation agreements in place and everything filed….

Tim: Then it’s done.

Lisa: …then they can say, ‘Okay, what is next in our life? What can we do with our children now? What and can I start looking for with any person in our life? Is there something we can do as co-parents starting now even though the six months period isn’t out?’

And in mediation allows that to happen quicker?

Tim: And in comparison to litigation or even using attorneys.

Lisa: Yes.

Tim: Even if they’re not going to litigate?

Lisa: Right.

Tim: Even if they just want to have an attorney address their needs and they’re going to eventually, broke their deal for each of them.

That takes longer simply because with the process work and I worked in the law firm for a couple of years is they’ll write a letter to their attorney…

The attorney will talk to their client. They’ll write a letter two weeks later with the response.

And it just really goes long.

Lisa: And it’s from the attorneys’ time table not the clients’ time table.

Tim: Oh yeah!

Lisa: When the attorney gets to it, when the attorney sends the letter, when the attorney has time to respond.

In Mediation, you come in when you have a chance. You come in on your time table. We get this done on your time table.

Tim: Right. So yes, so, it is sky is the limit if it’s litigation. I mean it could be years with the same cases for years for litigation.

Lisa: Yes.

Tim: So mediation is definitely better.

Lisa: Yes.

Tim: Time wise…

Lisa: Much quicker.

Tim: …when going…

Do Divorce Lawyers Understand Divorce Mediation

Tim: The myth was all Divorce lawyers understand and support mediation. That was the myth, specifically.

So I turned this into, do divorce lawyers understand Divorce Mediation? And we can answer that in a couple different ways.

Lisa: No, I don’t think they understand the pure process of mediation. They just have had a different training and different mindset.

A lot of attorneys, a lot I think I’ve mentioned before have gone through the mediation training in order to retain more clients.

And they understand that this is something that is becoming more popular and people are actually looking towards.

Tim: Yes.

And so they’ve decided to like incorporate that into their businesses. I don’t think they really understand the benefits of the pure mediation process.

And a lot of them aren’t able to do it without switching over to their litigation mindset.

Tim: So that’s why we talked about that before. It’s kind of just a mindset is different.

Lisa: It is. And the training and you have to have a certain type of personality, even make it to Law School.

That alone and become an attorney and pass the bar and practice. It’s adversarial. It’s competitive.

It’s win-loose. It’s get the leg up. Mediation is exact opposite.

Tim: Right.

Lisa: And they have the hard time understanding that the process should be completely opposite from what to do with their litigation clients.

So I don’t think they understand it completely. They’re able to do it. They have their certification.

They have their training. They understand that they can’t represent one or the other after mediation but as far as pure process and the communicative part of it, I don’t think they really understand that part of it.

Tim: Okay. And we talked about that quite a bit before. So a big difference between an attorney mediator and a paid non-attorney mediator through the mindset of the mediator…

Lisa: Just a different perspective. It’s a different way of seeing the end result.

Tim: Right. And I thought one of my questions were how to choose a Divorce Mediator. See if I have that on here anywhere.

Well, that’s it. It’s certainly something that they should consider…

Lisa: Yes.

Tim: …when choosing a Divorce Mediator is they want attorney mediator, they want a non-attorney mediator…

Lisa: And it will be a completely different experience either way. I think you will be able to get somewhat of the result you are looking for.

And it will be a little bit quicker and that will be cheaper if you go mediation route.

If you would like to get away from that adversarial, aggressive, competitive process, then I will recommend a different perspective coming from a different mindset.

A non-attorney mediator would be your best bet.

Tim: And cost like to?

Lisa: A lot cheaper.

Tim: A lot cheaper for your mediation service than because when you pay mediation from attorney you’re paying their…

Lisa: You’re paying all the stuff that goes in with their firm and everything that they’re involved in.

Tim: Yes.

Lisa: So…

Tim: There’s lot of little hidden fees.